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T O P I C R E V I E WgertI am kinda in a pickle with a very serious situation to deal with.Yesterday my Aquarian friend and I had a fight that nearly turned physical.Heaccused of lying,cheating,stealing away what is "his",called me a "Brutusincarnate" and many other unpleasent things.Funny enough I wasn't as livid ashe was and didn't take the whole thing as seriously as he obviously did.The guywanted to beat me up and I was suprised as I have never seen that side of himever before.This is how things began:Earlier that day a cancerian ex of mine came over to visit.This particular girlis someone that we both dated.My Aquarius friend first met and had a fling withher but things didn't work out,a month or so later I met her and she told methat she had gone out with my friend and that things didn't work out.At first Iwas bothered with the fact that I kinda was going after my friends left-oversbut the attraction was immensely strong and she assured me that they partedamiccably with no hard feelings.After a couple of days of seeing her I informed my Aquarian friend that I wasseeing her and that I liked her.He was very displeased with this revelation andsulked the whole day,refusing to talk to me.I concluded that perhaps his partingwith this Cancerian woman was not as amiccable as she claimed; He was very angryand said all sorts of nasty things to me.I decided that I valued him too much asa friend and wasn't prepared to let a woman come between us and so I broke offwhatever prospects I had with the Cancer woman.She didn't understand and I was kinda hurting because I really did like her.2 years went by and she called me.She said that she was around town and hoped wecould meet up and chat.We did meet up and I had such a great time that Iflippantly suggested that we be friends which she agreed to.A week later she came over to the flat and my Aquarian friend was around.I hadimmediately told him about her calling and wanting to hang out the day shecalled , so he was aware of what was going on between us.He told me that itwould be a bad idea if she and I decided to get together after what hadhappened 2 years ago.I assured him that she had a boyfriend ( an Aries) and thatthey were serious.After the visit the Aquarian told me of how good she looked and how he still hasfeelings for her;I was crushed once again because I realised that I also hadn'tcompletely gotten her out my mind.Once again I decided to step aside and lethim have a go at getting her back.He told me that they had a connection thathe wants to rekindle.He told me that the reason things didn't work out betweenthem was because he got cold feet,but he was ready willing and able now to giveit one more try.I was cringing when he said all this and told him to follow hisheart.He went ahead and pursuid her but she gently rebuffed him until he gotfrustrated and told me that he realy didn't think that she was all that specialand that the only reason he wanted to get with her was for the sex.I saidnothing all the while and continued my relationship with a Sag and trying notto be jealous of what was going on.I realised that making the Cancerian aplatonic friend of mine was perhaps a very bad idea.I decided that maybe Ishould tell her that the grass is still too wet for us to ever be playingcricket.This tuesday she came to see me and I was ready and willing to tell her exactlywhat I thought.We talked about eveything under the sun:She talked about howunhappy she was with the Aries guy,how difficult it is to find someone specialand we concurred on many topical issues.Eventually when she was about to leaveshe started saying that she'll never give her heart out to somebody everagain.I asked her who it was that broke her heart so much that she thought ithopeless to find love.She was very roundabout for a long while before I askedif my Aquarian friend was the one that broke her heart.She answered that it wasn't him but me.She got very tearful and talked about howshe had fallen inlove with me and that even after all these years she hadn'tcompletely gotten over what happened between us.I was also quite tearful at that moment and admitted that I still liked her verymuch and than we ended up sharing a bed.I didn't regret what happened but I told her that my friend was to be hurt byall this.After she left I decided to tell him what had happened and thats whenhe started getting physical with me.I know he is very hurt that she doesn'tfeel the same way he feels for her.What can I do to make this all better,I carefor her so much and we just wont be able to stay away from each other. me My Friend SheSun: Sag Aquarius CancerMoon: Cancer Pisces ScorpioMercury: Capricorn Pisces CancerVenus: Scorpio Aquarius GeminiMars: Libra Pisces ScorpioOh yeah and my Sag girlfriend on the other hand is giving me space to make adecision about what I want!!gertJust to clear things up.Me Sun: SagMoon:CancerMercury:CapricornVenus:ScorpioMars:LibraMy FriendSun:AquariusMoon:PiscesMercury:PiscesVenus:AquariusMars:PiscesSheSub:CancerMoon:ScorpioMercury:CancerVenus:GeminiMars:ScorpioThere!!That looks much better.What do I do,please help!Mama MiaWooooWWWW gert that is deeeepppp!!!! Ohhh I do not know what to tell you bc I am all for friends and I hate to do anything that would hurt them. But then I am a hopeless romantic and real big on TRUE LOVE and will knock down anything that gets in the way of that...Hmmmmm Follow your heart prolly seems triky to say.. I wish you the best luck with this possible, Maybe someone else will come along and shed some light,,, celticfyreOh wow Dude! some much water between all three of you no wonder feelings are DEEP I sympathize and empathize with you. I'm with Mama there Wish the best, sending you soem positive vibes to help you make your decision....at least your freind is giving you the time to make up your mind . All the best to you. ------------------ML~~~~~~~~~~~"In my end is my beginning"Mary,Queen of ScotsSwerveI gotta be honest with you here, she sounds kind of fickle to me. You two haven't got together yet and she seems to be able to talk about guys behind their backs and come off all innocent.Plus you have a girlfriend and she has a boyfriend..baaaaaddd karma.I personally have noticed these things happen a lot with best friends and girlfriends. I have been on both sides of the track but have NEVER pursued a relationship with a friends ex. It's a barrier that shouldn't be breached, and always leads to problems.Also, it seems like the idea of the thing may be greater than the thing as well. So much anticipation involved it would have to be the love of a lifetime for it to maintain that feeling now.I'm a Pisces and have Scorpio influences and I know how imagination and expectation can make something seem so much more beautiful than it actually is. Plus, with her track record (and Cancers have a way of always looking innocent in these things)I would say you are setting yourself up to be your friend after the initial buzz is over.Be very careful here, all may not be as it seems. Hope this doesn't sound too judgemental, I can just relate to your situation so much.Good luck either way, I hope all parties involved are happy in the end.SwervegertThanks for the replys guys,they were much appreiated:MamaMia:I know exactly what you mean but I think TRUE LOVE sshouldn't hurt other people and feel so painful that those who want to be together eventually feel guilty about their union.celticfyre:We have a lot of water in all our charts.Looking at her and my friends chart they both are heavy Cancer and Pisces respectively.I on the other hand have major Pluto aspects and a heavy Scorpio chart.My Sag girlfriend is Neptune influenced with heavy Capricorn. Swerve: I actaully agree with you wholeheartedly.The thing is she earlier neglected to tell me that she slept with him when they were together.I had wondered what intense connection my friend had with her until I found out that they got intimate way before she and I met.After much thinking and soul-searching,I've decided to choose my friend over her.I told her that it wouldn't work and after a very tearful argument,she accepted.She says that we'll probably meet again and hopefully by then circumstances will be less painful.Tthrough all of this drama my Sag girlfriend has been incredibly supportive and not resentful of my feelings for this cancer girl at all.She has assured me time and again that she is always willing to be the shoulder to cry on when things get heavy.I guess its the way that I have been open about the whole business.She is an amazing person though!!!Thanks to everyone,bomb has been diffused! SwerveWow Gert! Giving advice is easy. Taking it much harder. I applaud you and hope and think you made the right choice.Your Sag sounds like an absolute angel! Just make sure you treasure her. Those ones are very very rare.Good luck!SwerveLialeiSwerve,she won't be treasured.Such 'rare ones' never are.Surely you are wise to this by now.Were you treasured?Would you treasure her...truthfully?She, your mirror, and yet still, would you realize that? Would that occur to you, while you were searching beyond her?You're intuitive, yet still, would you sense the proud and silent tears she hides away to herself?gert, as a Sag woman, I can tell you that your Sag most likely cried heavy-hearted tears when no one was looking. I hope you care enough for her to wonder if she would have...and not take her understanding face value. Her understanding was a selfless gift to you, for caring for you beyond herself. Sag~freedom. She leaves it up to you to explore her depths. She hopes with all her heart you would want to, but leaves it up to you. With heavy sighs more each day that she realizes you aren't...eventually she walks away, too proud to endure it any longer.Sorry to rain here...it's usually not my way. What happens when Neptune finally emerges from the misty clouds, and sees the world's plight so clearly. BlueTopaz124My initial instinct would be to watch this Cancer woman...and agree with what has been said already...she's appearing the hurt one and innocent (manipulative comes to mind)...playing you against your Aqua friend...Do not ever let anyone come between a friendship you value. I admire your wanting to stand by and allow your Aqua friend to get involved with her, but try not to say anything to him of your involvement with her, it only strains things between you. Let him find on his own whether she is someone he wants to be with or if it will work at all...that kind of involvement has already lost its innocence and feels tainted...but it seems as though you have things figured out already...As for your Sag girlfriend...us Sags are that way and will step aside all the while our our heart is bleeding, standing by, ready as a friend...do not lose this woman, she may have cried many nights and smile in the sun to others, they;d never know how much her hearts hurt. Agree too, that she would walk away if disappointed too often or sees no sign of hope, surely as a fellow Sag you understand the value of hope?That's a lot of collective water in those three charts - your moons are all trine in watersweetlibraLialei well said..Sadly such gals will never be treasured..!SwerveYes, I would indeed treasure her.SwervegertNo need to worry about me treasuring her because I intend to.Problem is that she has a Libra moon excatly square mine and both Pluto and Neptune square my sun.There are a lot of misundersatndings betweenus and at times I've evn thought that she is cheating.My uranus is conjuct her sun though and my mars also conjuct her moon.Both her venus and mars conjuct my Pluto and her ascendant is exactly trine mine.Here is the dealMe Asc:TaurusSun:SagMoon:CancerMercury:CapricornVenus:ScorpioMars:LibraJupiter:SagNeptune:SagSaturn:ScorpioPluto:ScorpioUranus:SagNorth node:GeminiMidheaven:AquariusSheAsc:CapricornSun:SagMoon;LibraMercury:ScorpioVenus:ScorpioMars:ScorpioJupiter:CapricornNeptune:LibraSaturn:GeminiPluto:LibraUranus:ScorpioNorth node:CapricornMidheaven:VirgoThe sex is great but I feel she still keeps an emotional distance from me.Don't know why though!LialeiSorry to imply that you wouldn't, Swerve. The opposite is true, actually.I've been with you, since the Gemini girl days (I was Heart&Soul then).Most often a silent reader...sighing with you, applauding you, hoping for you...feeling for you. I guess as crazy as it sounds, you've come to represent hope to me.And of course, I wouldn't literally place that kind of heavy responsibility on you...but it's because I believe that you, above most, would be one to treasure and cherish, things of beauty, more than others who would exploit or take them for granted.If you weren't to...you...than what hope is there? See? Crazy, I know. gert, I cannot say for certain, of course, or speak for her, but it sounds as if she is guarding her heart.With good reason, considering, wouldn't you think? Yes, some of those are difficult placements, likely to supress open communication and expression. Venus and Mars conjunct Pluto? Wow...very karmic and meant to be.Have you read Linda's description of Venus conjunct Pluto in Relationship Signs?:"This aspect and in particular the conjunction, reveals the possibility of Soul Mates.Soul Mates are fully absorbed in the other, and may experience extreme tension when your emotions can't be fully expressed. The sexual chemistry between you is magnetic and deep, and was so from your first meeting.Especially with the conjunction, you will meet involuntarily, and cannot be seperated on Earth except for temporary periods. Not even death can separate you in the astral existance, because you will push into mutual flesh rebirth to be reunited. These are powerful karmic vibrations of love, the kind of relationship called 'love at first sight,' which is not a fable, but attributable to karma. When apart you both feel an inexpressible longing for one another, however much you may try to deny it for personal reasons. With the sextile or trine, if you choose to postpone union until another incarnation, your mutual feelings will nevertheless be intense. With the conjunction it's doubtful that you'll choose postponement. The anciant marriage ceremonial words, 'That which God hath joined together, let no man put asunder' apply to such lovers, not to all brides and grooms. Because such aspects are a precious gift from the Universe, and from the Higher Selves of the man and woman, they can't be taken lightly. They require deep meditation and thoughtful analysis."Best wishes to you. gertThe drama continues to unfold.I thought that I had dealt with the situation astactfully as I could but the chips continue to fall.This weekend my group and I went out to the Poetry longe:Its a fanciful placefull of intellects and poetry gurus and what not.The idea was to kick back andrelax and just to have a good time.The cast:Me (Sag boy),my best friend who was involved in the love triangle whomI'll now refer to as Pisces mooner & his ex-girlfiend (Gemini),Another friend ofmine (Aquarian) and last but definately not least a new addition to our crew:Aries.We went to this place and as soon as we got there I saw her;the cancerian womanwho was involved in all the drama.She approached me and we talked,she told methat she broke off with her boyfriend because it wasn't going anywhere and awhole lot of other things.A couple of minutes later her friends dragged her backto their circle and I went back to my friends.During the night I got really drunk and my Aries friend was supplying all theliqour.I had no intention to get so drunk but he was goading me on and well.... I fell hard and the liquor was flooding in.I was feeling so good,so on top of the world,so free that I was friendly withjust about everyone at that place.Now I am not a schemer or the type of guy who hurts other people so I didn'tunderstand where this suddenly came from:My Pisces mooners ex-girlfriend(the gemini) was sad and down in the dumps-shewas jealous of the advances the Pisces mooner was making on another woman(anaries)while we were there.I joked around with her and kinda tried to cheer her up about the whole thing and I guess my Pisces mooner friend saw me and flipped.He immediately dashed over and threatened me to stay away from her:I was angryand dissapointed at him.How could he think that I was making advances on hisex? I needed to get away from there and went outside to defuse.A couple ofminutes later he came over(Pisces mooner) to apologise and said that he didn'tknow where all that came from and that he was only joking and didn't meananything by it.I tried to shrug it off and went back inside to dance my badmood away.An hour or so later,when I was still grooving with both my Aries and Aquarianfriends,the cancerain woman comes over and says that she is leaving.We exchangehugs and a few laughs and she goes out her way.After her departure my Piscesmooner friend comes over to me and says that he realised today that he neverreally did love her:he tells me that he was just jealous and couldn't stand tosee that she was feeling for me what she failed to feel for him.He assured methat if I still wanted her I could go for her as it is clear to him that werealy dig each other.I was so happy,and not to mention relieved and couldn't wait to call her.We leftthe lounge and went back to the flat.When we got there,I sent her a couple ofmessages and it was very late at night when she asked me to come over.Iimmediately went to her place and we had an amazing night together.In the morning I went back to the flat to be given yet another mouthful.My Aries friend told me that my Pisces mooner friend was livid:Apparently thewoman he was flirting with was not into him but interested in me.I was dumbfounded;suddenly out of nowhere I became Mr.Popular all in one night.I shrugged it off as a joke until my Pisces mooner friend told me that hedidn't appreciate the way I flirted with the aries woman he was having a thingfor (I didn't even speak to her at all and didn't know who she was),he allsotold me that he had lied about being cool about me seeing the cancer woman.Heasked if we had sex while I was at her place and I told him that it was reallynone of his business if we did.The following day while I was breezing with my Aquarian buddy ,the Pisces moonersends me a message saying that he knows that I have deceived him.I told myAquarian friend about everything that happened and he said the most unexpectedand bizzare thing:"Your friend doesn't really care about any of the people thatyou go out with.At first I thought that he was selfish and being very jealousbut then I noticed that as soon as you had left the flat last night,he was veryanxious and preoccupied.My guess is that he maybe inlove with you and doesn't know how to tell you."I objected to the whole conclusion and said that my Pisces mooner friend is straight and that he has never been involved in a gay relationship.My aquarian buddy then replied "Love can be very strange!"What?????There can't be any truth to what he is saying right?sweetlibraGosh! gert, that was my first feeling when I read your initial post!!!gertWell according to www.starlightastrology.com this is how I and the cancer woman match up:" This is a case where both should enter this relationship wearing boxing gloves and be prepared to use them, as both of them will have to absolutely love fighting as rows and agruments are sure to flourish. Cancer must be prepared to come out of his/her shell and live life to the fullest and not spend any time in lying around in a sulk. Sagittarius will expect Cancer to follow along with his/her ideas and very active social life joining in as much fun (Sagittarius' idea of fun!) as possible. On occassions when Cancer has had it and wishes to stay home, put the feet up, and watch television, Sagittarius will try to talk Cancer into accompanying him/her. Should this fail, Sagittarius will go out alone and find 'other' excitement. Sagittarius is a man full of charm and believes his/her freedom to be all important, and should Cancer take offense, or display a jealous reaction, then Sagittarius will start to feel as though he/she made a serious mistake in choosing Cancer in the first place. Cancers loving, nurturing ways are what drew Sagittarius; it is not enough to keep him or her true. Sexually, Sagittarius is very active, and as a rule Cancer is easily satisfied. This can leave Sagittarius feeling let down and depressed and unfulfilled, which in turn will send him/her searching for a new partner. This is not a recommended union, and it is not a match made in Heaven." I can't say that it gives me much hope of any long-term prospects but then again according to this site Sagittarrians are lustful,commitment-phobic people that don't gel well with any other signs except Aries and Leo.Lialeigert, you have a Cancer Moon, right?Why would you look to Sun-Sign astrology for answers?Well, enough on treasuring it seems...You're young. You are following your heart.It will bring you understanding in your own time. Listen to your heart, remain aware to quiet truths, deeper than what easily appears to be.Just...don't begin to believe in what you read about Sags. It's probably the most misrepresented sign. One of them anyway. Swerve, my words to you, as always were kind, but recent notice of your views on Sagittarius might have somewhat shattered my image of your sensitivity. SwerveHuh? What views on Saggies?Is it an old post or something?Let me know so I can explain myself.SwerveLialei"Oh God, not what I wanted to hear (especially number 1). Plus I'm flirting with a Gemini and sometime dating an Aries. No wonder it's all going so well. I'm just missing the Sag to put the icing on the misery."There have been others here and there...butdoesn't matter.I can see how you didn't mean anything by it.Didn't mean to be judgementalor single you out.Just not the best of times...and sometimes this isn't the place to be browsing when you're feeling particularly sensitive or vulnerable.Me ~not you. You're obviously a good heart. SwerveLialei, I was joking because these were the ones I was supposed to not get on with in regard to that topic. It was NEVER serious, and not talking about any person. Sheesh... Besides, let me explain I am NO angel. I'm not sure I would want that burden. I do appreciate your kind words though.SwerveLialeiYes, I see you were going by the test results. I said above~ "I guess as crazy as it sounds, you've come to represent hope to me.And of course, I wouldn't literally place that kind of heavy responsibility on you..."I knew as I was typing, that it wasn't a fair burden to place. We are all, after all, just finding our way. Thank you.
Earlier that day a cancerian ex of mine came over to visit.This particular girlis someone that we both dated.My Aquarius friend first met and had a fling withher but things didn't work out,a month or so later I met her and she told methat she had gone out with my friend and that things didn't work out.At first Iwas bothered with the fact that I kinda was going after my friends left-oversbut the attraction was immensely strong and she assured me that they partedamiccably with no hard feelings.
After a couple of days of seeing her I informed my Aquarian friend that I wasseeing her and that I liked her.He was very displeased with this revelation andsulked the whole day,refusing to talk to me.I concluded that perhaps his partingwith this Cancerian woman was not as amiccable as she claimed; He was very angryand said all sorts of nasty things to me.I decided that I valued him too much asa friend and wasn't prepared to let a woman come between us and so I broke offwhatever prospects I had with the Cancer woman.She didn't understand and I was kinda hurting because I really did like her.
2 years went by and she called me.She said that she was around town and hoped wecould meet up and chat.We did meet up and I had such a great time that Iflippantly suggested that we be friends which she agreed to.A week later she came over to the flat and my Aquarian friend was around.I hadimmediately told him about her calling and wanting to hang out the day shecalled , so he was aware of what was going on between us.He told me that itwould be a bad idea if she and I decided to get together after what hadhappened 2 years ago.I assured him that she had a boyfriend ( an Aries) and thatthey were serious.
After the visit the Aquarian told me of how good she looked and how he still hasfeelings for her;I was crushed once again because I realised that I also hadn'tcompletely gotten her out my mind.Once again I decided to step aside and lethim have a go at getting her back.He told me that they had a connection thathe wants to rekindle.He told me that the reason things didn't work out betweenthem was because he got cold feet,but he was ready willing and able now to giveit one more try.I was cringing when he said all this and told him to follow hisheart.
He went ahead and pursuid her but she gently rebuffed him until he gotfrustrated and told me that he realy didn't think that she was all that specialand that the only reason he wanted to get with her was for the sex.I saidnothing all the while and continued my relationship with a Sag and trying notto be jealous of what was going on.I realised that making the Cancerian aplatonic friend of mine was perhaps a very bad idea.I decided that maybe Ishould tell her that the grass is still too wet for us to ever be playingcricket.
This tuesday she came to see me and I was ready and willing to tell her exactlywhat I thought.We talked about eveything under the sun:She talked about howunhappy she was with the Aries guy,how difficult it is to find someone specialand we concurred on many topical issues.Eventually when she was about to leaveshe started saying that she'll never give her heart out to somebody everagain.I asked her who it was that broke her heart so much that she thought ithopeless to find love.She was very roundabout for a long while before I askedif my Aquarian friend was the one that broke her heart.She answered that it wasn't him but me.She got very tearful and talked about howshe had fallen inlove with me and that even after all these years she hadn'tcompletely gotten over what happened between us.I was also quite tearful at that moment and admitted that I still liked her verymuch and than we ended up sharing a bed.
I didn't regret what happened but I told her that my friend was to be hurt byall this.After she left I decided to tell him what had happened and thats whenhe started getting physical with me.I know he is very hurt that she doesn'tfeel the same way he feels for her.What can I do to make this all better,I carefor her so much and we just wont be able to stay away from each other.
me My Friend SheSun: Sag Aquarius Cancer
Moon: Cancer Pisces Scorpio
Mercury: Capricorn Pisces Cancer
Venus: Scorpio Aquarius Gemini
Mars: Libra Pisces Scorpio
Oh yeah and my Sag girlfriend on the other hand is giving me space to make adecision about what I want!!
Me
Sun: SagMoon:CancerMercury:CapricornVenus:ScorpioMars:Libra
My Friend
Sun:AquariusMoon:PiscesMercury:PiscesVenus:AquariusMars:Pisces
She
Sub:CancerMoon:ScorpioMercury:CancerVenus:GeminiMars:Scorpio
There!!That looks much better.What do I do,please help!
------------------ML~~~~~~~~~~~"In my end is my beginning"Mary,Queen of Scots
Plus you have a girlfriend and she has a boyfriend..baaaaaddd karma.
I personally have noticed these things happen a lot with best friends and girlfriends. I have been on both sides of the track but have NEVER pursued a relationship with a friends ex. It's a barrier that shouldn't be breached, and always leads to problems.
Also, it seems like the idea of the thing may be greater than the thing as well. So much anticipation involved it would have to be the love of a lifetime for it to maintain that feeling now.
I'm a Pisces and have Scorpio influences and I know how imagination and expectation can make something seem so much more beautiful than it actually is. Plus, with her track record (and Cancers have a way of always looking innocent in these things)I would say you are setting yourself up to be your friend after the initial buzz is over.
Be very careful here, all may not be as it seems. Hope this doesn't sound too judgemental, I can just relate to your situation so much.
Good luck either way, I hope all parties involved are happy in the end.
Swerve
MamaMia:I know exactly what you mean but I think TRUE LOVE sshouldn't hurt other people and feel so painful that those who want to be together eventually feel guilty about their union.
celticfyre:We have a lot of water in all our charts.Looking at her and my friends chart they both are heavy Cancer and Pisces respectively.I on the other hand have major Pluto aspects and a heavy Scorpio chart.My Sag girlfriend is Neptune influenced with heavy Capricorn.
Swerve: I actaully agree with you wholeheartedly.The thing is she earlier neglected to tell me that she slept with him when they were together.I had wondered what intense connection my friend had with her until I found out that they got intimate way before she and I met.
After much thinking and soul-searching,I've decided to choose my friend over her.I told her that it wouldn't work and after a very tearful argument,she accepted.She says that we'll probably meet again and hopefully by then circumstances will be less painful.
Tthrough all of this drama my Sag girlfriend has been incredibly supportive and not resentful of my feelings for this cancer girl at all.She has assured me time and again that she is always willing to be the shoulder to cry on when things get heavy.I guess its the way that I have been open about the whole business.She is an amazing person though!!!
Thanks to everyone,bomb has been diffused!
Giving advice is easy. Taking it much harder. I applaud you and hope and think you made the right choice.
Your Sag sounds like an absolute angel! Just make sure you treasure her. Those ones are very very rare.
Good luck!
gert, as a Sag woman, I can tell you that your Sag most likely cried heavy-hearted tears when no one was looking. I hope you care enough for her to wonder if she would have...and not take her understanding face value. Her understanding was a selfless gift to you, for caring for you beyond herself. Sag~freedom. She leaves it up to you to explore her depths. She hopes with all her heart you would want to, but leaves it up to you. With heavy sighs more each day that she realizes you aren't...eventually she walks away, too proud to endure it any longer.
Sorry to rain here...it's usually not my way. What happens when Neptune finally emerges from the misty clouds, and sees the world's plight so clearly.
As for your Sag girlfriend...us Sags are that way and will step aside all the while our our heart is bleeding, standing by, ready as a friend...do not lose this woman, she may have cried many nights and smile in the sun to others, they;d never know how much her hearts hurt. Agree too, that she would walk away if disappointed too often or sees no sign of hope, surely as a fellow Sag you understand the value of hope?
That's a lot of collective water in those three charts - your moons are all trine in water
My uranus is conjuct her sun though and my mars also conjuct her moon.Both her venus and mars conjuct my Pluto and her ascendant is exactly trine mine.
Here is the deal
Asc:TaurusSun:SagMoon:CancerMercury:CapricornVenus:ScorpioMars:LibraJupiter:SagNeptune:SagSaturn:ScorpioPluto:ScorpioUranus:SagNorth node:GeminiMidheaven:Aquarius
Asc:CapricornSun:SagMoon;LibraMercury:ScorpioVenus:ScorpioMars:ScorpioJupiter:CapricornNeptune:LibraSaturn:GeminiPluto:LibraUranus:ScorpioNorth node:CapricornMidheaven:Virgo
The sex is great but I feel she still keeps an emotional distance from me.Don't know why though!
I've been with you, since the Gemini girl days (I was Heart&Soul then).Most often a silent reader...sighing with you, applauding you, hoping for you...feeling for you. I guess as crazy as it sounds, you've come to represent hope to me.And of course, I wouldn't literally place that kind of heavy responsibility on you...but it's because I believe that you, above most, would be one to treasure and cherish, things of beauty, more than others who would exploit or take them for granted.If you weren't to...you...than what hope is there? See? Crazy, I know.
gert, I cannot say for certain, of course, or speak for her, but it sounds as if she is guarding her heart.With good reason, considering, wouldn't you think? Yes, some of those are difficult placements, likely to supress open communication and expression. Venus and Mars conjunct Pluto? Wow...very karmic and meant to be.Have you read Linda's description of Venus conjunct Pluto in Relationship Signs?:
"This aspect and in particular the conjunction, reveals the possibility of Soul Mates.Soul Mates are fully absorbed in the other, and may experience extreme tension when your emotions can't be fully expressed. The sexual chemistry between you is magnetic and deep, and was so from your first meeting.
Especially with the conjunction, you will meet involuntarily, and cannot be seperated on Earth except for temporary periods. Not even death can separate you in the astral existance, because you will push into mutual flesh rebirth to be reunited. These are powerful karmic vibrations of love, the kind of relationship called 'love at first sight,' which is not a fable, but attributable to karma. When apart you both feel an inexpressible longing for one another, however much you may try to deny it for personal reasons. With the sextile or trine, if you choose to postpone union until another incarnation, your mutual feelings will nevertheless be intense. With the conjunction it's doubtful that you'll choose postponement. The anciant marriage ceremonial words, 'That which God hath joined together, let no man put asunder' apply to such lovers, not to all brides and grooms. Because such aspects are a precious gift from the Universe, and from the Higher Selves of the man and woman, they can't be taken lightly. They require deep meditation and thoughtful analysis."
Best wishes to you.
This weekend my group and I went out to the Poetry longe:Its a fanciful placefull of intellects and poetry gurus and what not.The idea was to kick back andrelax and just to have a good time.The cast:Me (Sag boy),my best friend who was involved in the love triangle whomI'll now refer to as Pisces mooner & his ex-girlfiend (Gemini),Another friend ofmine (Aquarian) and last but definately not least a new addition to our crew:Aries.
We went to this place and as soon as we got there I saw her;the cancerian womanwho was involved in all the drama.She approached me and we talked,she told methat she broke off with her boyfriend because it wasn't going anywhere and awhole lot of other things.A couple of minutes later her friends dragged her backto their circle and I went back to my friends.
During the night I got really drunk and my Aries friend was supplying all theliqour.I had no intention to get so drunk but he was goading me on and well.... I fell hard and the liquor was flooding in.I was feeling so good,so on top of the world,so free that I was friendly withjust about everyone at that place.
Now I am not a schemer or the type of guy who hurts other people so I didn'tunderstand where this suddenly came from:My Pisces mooners ex-girlfriend(the gemini) was sad and down in the dumps-shewas jealous of the advances the Pisces mooner was making on another woman(anaries)while we were there.I joked around with her and kinda tried to cheer her up about the whole thing and I guess my Pisces mooner friend saw me and flipped.
He immediately dashed over and threatened me to stay away from her:I was angryand dissapointed at him.How could he think that I was making advances on hisex? I needed to get away from there and went outside to defuse.A couple ofminutes later he came over(Pisces mooner) to apologise and said that he didn'tknow where all that came from and that he was only joking and didn't meananything by it.I tried to shrug it off and went back inside to dance my badmood away.
An hour or so later,when I was still grooving with both my Aries and Aquarianfriends,the cancerain woman comes over and says that she is leaving.We exchangehugs and a few laughs and she goes out her way.After her departure my Piscesmooner friend comes over to me and says that he realised today that he neverreally did love her:he tells me that he was just jealous and couldn't stand tosee that she was feeling for me what she failed to feel for him.He assured methat if I still wanted her I could go for her as it is clear to him that werealy dig each other.
I was so happy,and not to mention relieved and couldn't wait to call her.We leftthe lounge and went back to the flat.When we got there,I sent her a couple ofmessages and it was very late at night when she asked me to come over.Iimmediately went to her place and we had an amazing night together.In the morning I went back to the flat to be given yet another mouthful.My Aries friend told me that my Pisces mooner friend was livid:Apparently thewoman he was flirting with was not into him but interested in me.I was dumbfounded;suddenly out of nowhere I became Mr.Popular all in one night.I shrugged it off as a joke until my Pisces mooner friend told me that hedidn't appreciate the way I flirted with the aries woman he was having a thingfor (I didn't even speak to her at all and didn't know who she was),he allsotold me that he had lied about being cool about me seeing the cancer woman.Heasked if we had sex while I was at her place and I told him that it was reallynone of his business if we did.
The following day while I was breezing with my Aquarian buddy ,the Pisces moonersends me a message saying that he knows that I have deceived him.I told myAquarian friend about everything that happened and he said the most unexpectedand bizzare thing:"Your friend doesn't really care about any of the people thatyou go out with.At first I thought that he was selfish and being very jealousbut then I noticed that as soon as you had left the flat last night,he was veryanxious and preoccupied.My guess is that he maybe inlove with you and doesn't know how to tell you."I objected to the whole conclusion and said that my Pisces mooner friend is straight and that he has never been involved in a gay relationship.My aquarian buddy then replied "Love can be very strange!"
What?????There can't be any truth to what he is saying right?
" This is a case where both should enter this relationship wearing boxing gloves and be prepared to use them, as both of them will have to absolutely love fighting as rows and agruments are sure to flourish. Cancer must be prepared to come out of his/her shell and live life to the fullest and not spend any time in lying around in a sulk.
Sagittarius will expect Cancer to follow along with his/her ideas and very active social life joining in as much fun (Sagittarius' idea of fun!) as possible. On occassions when Cancer has had it and wishes to stay home, put the feet up, and watch television, Sagittarius will try to talk Cancer into accompanying him/her. Should this fail, Sagittarius will go out alone and find 'other' excitement.
Sagittarius is a man full of charm and believes his/her freedom to be all important, and should Cancer take offense, or display a jealous reaction, then Sagittarius will start to feel as though he/she made a serious mistake in choosing Cancer in the first place. Cancers loving, nurturing ways are what drew Sagittarius; it is not enough to keep him or her true.
Sexually, Sagittarius is very active, and as a rule Cancer is easily satisfied. This can leave Sagittarius feeling let down and depressed and unfulfilled, which in turn will send him/her searching for a new partner. This is not a recommended union, and it is not a match made in Heaven."
I can't say that it gives me much hope of any long-term prospects but then again according to this site Sagittarrians are lustful,commitment-phobic people that don't gel well with any other signs except Aries and Leo.
Why would you look to Sun-Sign astrology for answers?
Well, enough on treasuring it seems...
You're young. You are following your heart.It will bring you understanding in your own time. Listen to your heart, remain aware to quiet truths, deeper than what easily appears to be.
Just...don't begin to believe in what you read about Sags. It's probably the most misrepresented sign. One of them anyway.
Swerve, my words to you, as always were kind, but recent notice of your views on Sagittarius might have somewhat shattered my image of your sensitivity.
Is it an old post or something?
Let me know so I can explain myself.
There have been others here and there...butdoesn't matter.I can see how you didn't mean anything by it.Didn't mean to be judgementalor single you out.Just not the best of times...and sometimes this isn't the place to be browsing when you're feeling particularly sensitive or vulnerable.Me ~not you.
You're obviously a good heart.
Besides, let me explain I am NO angel. I'm not sure I would want that burden. I do appreciate your kind words though.
I said above~ "I guess as crazy as it sounds, you've come to represent hope to me.And of course, I wouldn't literally place that kind of heavy responsibility on you..."
I knew as I was typing, that it wasn't a fair burden to place. We are all, after all, just finding our way.
Thank you.
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